Wednesday, June 06, 2007

But seriously folks... (Updated)

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In Tearfree’s non-RTK life, she ponders more serious journalistic concerns. Along with writing about crazy things like Rebecca Eckler controversies, Crocs and Dr. Oetker, she’s also interested in intellectual property, how the Internet’s changing journalism and related esoteric topics like crowd sourcing.

She is therefore proposing to bring her many interests together and use this Rebecca Eckler, Judd Apatow, Knocked Up lawsuit story as an experiment in crowd sourcing.

Eckler has made known several of the reasons why she believes the filmmakers copied her book. All of them strike Tearfree as completely unconvincing and as someone who works in a field where lawsuits over copyright and plagiarism are becoming more common, Tearfree is worried about the chilling effect frivolous legal actions can have. She does not think it's a good thing when wheel reinventing writers like Eckler get lawyers involved because, as the author declared today on CBC radio: "No one had written about it before me."

Tearfree therefore invites her readers to participate in the RTK crowd-sourcing experiment. Participants look for prior examples of all the ideas Eckler believes originated with her. We already have some of this going on with the Martini glass/pacifier illustration, which has been used by at least two other Mummy writers (although it still needs to be established when they initially appeared.)

Participants can use any research methods they choose but will get extra points for sticking with sources that anyone can access via the Internet. We are looking for references to the following topics, made prior to 2004, when the book Knocked Up first appeared. so far, our brilliant readers and commenters have contrinuted the following:

1) Martini glass and pacifier illustrations and logos
See comments and June 7 post above.

2) Ambivalent pregnant women surrounded by best friends and family with screaming kids
Anonymous commenter cites early SATC episode "when the four women go out of town to a former wild girl's baby shower and all the pastel-clad mothers there are repressed wild girls themselves with unbearable screaming children." Admittedly, Carrie et al aren't pregnant but are nevertheless appalled.

3) Women taking multiple pregnancy tests
Kate cites Sliding Doors: "Gwyneth Paltrow, 1998 - her character thinks she might be pregnant and in a later scene announces to her roommate that she took six home pregnancy tests and all were positive."

4) Books, movies, sitcoms whose up-and-coming heroines work in media

A very prolific Anonymous cites:

Films: What Women Want, How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, Hitched, The Devil Wears Prada
The Hours (Nicole Kidman plays writer Virginia Woolf), My Best Friend’s Wedding (Julia Roberts plays a food critic who writes for a newspaper)

Television Shows: Murphy Brown, 30 Rock, Ugly Betty, Just Shoot Me, Sex in the City

Books: The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath (character works for a magazine), The Devil Wears Prada by Lauren Weisberger, Wasted by Marya Hornbacher (Marya works for a newspaper), Emily’s Quest by Lucy Maude Montgomery (Emily works to be a writer)

Another Anonymous suggest this site which tracks the image of the female journalist in popular culture.

Jane Doe cites the book and movie Playing House by Patricia Pearson in which "an underemployed, pot-smoking Canadian guy in New York gets his brand-new girlfriend, an up an coming journalist, pregnant, and they cope ambivalently and uncertainly with getting to know one another as the pregnancy grows."

5) Jokes about sex while pregnant hurting in-utero kid
Anonymous cites Miranda of SATC having sex during pregnancy and the pair joking "Where do you think dimples come from?"

6) Jokes and comments relating pregnancy and trampolines
Nothing so far.

7) Worrying about telling your boss you’re pregnant
Anonymous cites "Miranda wanting to keep her pregnancy secret from her law firm because she predicts a slow demotion once the news comes out." Another Anonymous cites "Novel: Diary of a Mad Mom to Be by Laura Wolf."

8) Buying pregnancy books immediately after getting pregnant
Anonymous cites "Novel: Diary of a Mad Mom to Be by Laura Wolf."

9) Being “grossed out about what you read about the growing fetus”
Anonymous cites "Novel: Diary of a Mad Mom to Be by Laura Wolf."

10) Men’s behaviour at the obstetrician for pregnancy check-up appointments.
Several commenters cite Ross in Friends, The One With the Sonogram at the End
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The contest is still open and there's lots of good material in the comments.

Please cite references and if possible provide publishing dates.

Although we do not yet have a prize to offer, if this project is successful Universal Studios may very well throw in an all-expenses-paid trip to Hollywood worth the value of legal costs saved thanks to RTK.

For the record, Tearfree does feel a little guilty about launching an experiment that may help out a giant enertainment conglomerate given the industry's own reputation for legal bullying, but life is full of difficult choices so go out and fight the good fight for freedom of ideas and creativity. Maybe we can even get Universal Studios to see the light too.

(Aspiring journalists, please note that your career depends on understanding networked journalism (See point 7 especially.) Feel free to join right in.)

23 Tell us what you really think:

Anonymous said...

Anna Nicole Smith bounced on a trampoline while drunk and pregnant.

Does that count?

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/02/07/anna_nicole_smith_is_accused_of_drinking

MdG said...

1)http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/fashion/09drink.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=1c85cc99a77eff3c&ex=1320728400&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://www.suburbanbliss.net/
http://www.cafepress.com/suburbanbliss.18502861

2) Does this really count?
http://www.childfree.net/

4)Jennifer Anniston's character worked in Advertising in Picture Perfect (1997). Angelina Jolie was a TV reporter in Life or Something Like It(2002).

10) Didn't Ross from Friends do that "Quack! Quack!" joke with the speculum at one of Carol's OB appointments?

That is all I have.
Short attention span.

Tanya Espanya said...

Vicki Iovine has a great series, "The Girlfriend's Guide To...".

Then there are some excellent blogs in the mommy blogosphere (why do I hate that term?) that write witty and sarcastic items (I think that's what RE wants to do but it doesn't come across that way in her book or blog).

Anonymous said...

I think I've found what Judd apatow really stole from.

http://www.jokesnjokes.net/funny.jokes.amusing.humor.laughs/Health/pregnant003.htm

IP lawyer said...

You are stealing the phrase "But seriously folks."

I'm going to sue you.

Melissa said...

Bad Mother's Club appears to have started using the binky/martini logo in the UK around the same time I did in the US.

The owner of Bad Mother's Club and I had a discussion about the situation in February.

My logo was created for me by a friend in 2004. I have a trademark on it.

I would not sue, because really? I own all rights to martini and binky imagery? I do find it ironic that Eckler is suing because a movie about having a baby is similar to her book about having a baby, a fairly universal experience.

gifted typist said...

Remember Aussie Kathy Lette's Foetal Attraction?
The fictional character gets - can we say this? - "knocked up" and goes through all the usuals for the next nine months. The jokes are there, except in Lette's case they are actually witty, funny and delivered with a wink and nudge. Lette doesn't pretend to be inventing the experience and knows the history motherhood very well indeed. And here's the kicker: Lette can speak a sentence without saying "like, you kneeooooowwwwww."

Anonymous said...

The makers of Friends and Nine Months Later, with Hugh Grant and Julianne Moore, should be suing Eckler. She clearly stole from them.

Anonymous said...

Well then I guess my life right now (I am pregnant) is a copyright infringment on her book. Because I recently saw the movie and almost every joke, every fight, every situation, my husband and I would turn to each other and be like "omg we said that exact same thing" or "that happened to us exactly". It's just pregnancy and life.

janedoe said...

How about the 2003 comic novel, Playing House, in which an underemployed, pot-smoking Canadian guy in New York gets his brand-new girlfriend, an up an coming journalist, pregnant, and they cope ambivalently and uncertainly with getting to know one another as the pregnancy grows?
Do I win?

Kate said...

3) Sliding Doors, Gwyneth Paltrow, 1998 - her character thinks she might be pregnant and in a later scene announces to her roommate that she took six home pregnancy tests and all were positive: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120148/

So... think Gwynnie will sue?

Tearfree aka Reject the Koolaid said...

Kate and Jane Doe, fantastic examples. Thanks so much. Now, c'mon everyone, let's follow Kate's and Jane's examples.

Thanks also to Melissa for the dates.

Electric Landlady said...

4) Who doesn't work in media? Let's see. Bridget Jones's Diary (1998) features a hapless up-and-coming media heroine (also a pregnancy scare).

You know, we should sic the Smart Bitches on this too. I bet you anything there are innumerable romance examples.

always glad to help a good cause said...

ultimate "girl" reporters site

http://www.ijpc.org/sobsmaster.htm

Anonymous said...

For starters, just hearing about the movie made me go, "Oh man, another pregnancy/slacker panic plot."

Done to death! Cliched! Not to mention oddly 50s storyline (oh crap, I'm pregnant, guess I have to marry the guy). The only thing to set it apart is Apatow's punchy dialogue and unusual narrative rhythm -- which is admittedly worth forking $10 over for, regardless of the hackneyed premise.

Also, to answer you question specifically, if Eckler's gonna be so sensitive about hacky writing that parallels her own hacky writing, I guess Darren Star should be suing her. Just off the top of my head:

(2) Episode of SATC early in the series when the four women go out of town to a former wild girl's baby shower and all the pastel-clad mothers there are repressed wild girls themselves with unbearable screaming children.

(5) Steve and Miranda's "mercy f***" during her pregnancy. Miranda's sex with another guy during same time period ("Where do you think dimples come from?"

(7) Miranda wanting to keep her pregnancy secret from her law firm because she predicts a slow demotion once the news comes out.

Anonymous said...

The person Eckler she should really sue is the late writer, director and actress Adrienne Shelly. Shelly’s sweet and critically-acclaimed film “Waitress” has SHOCKING similarities to Eckler’s memoir. We have already established that Eckler owns the subject of pregnancy and all that it entails. Therefore, consider the following similarities between her book, “Knocked Up” and the film “Waitress.”

1. Both have a female protagonist
2. Both female protagonists unintentionally get pregnant after a drunken night
3. Both woman are resentful towards their unborn babies
4. Both become involved with a sympathetic man who is not the baby’s biological father
5. Jenna, in “Waitress,” bakes pies. Rebecca craves ice cream. This shows a similar theme of pregnant women and food.
6. Both women see misbehaving other children and dread the birth of their own child.
7. Both women visit gynecologists.
8. Both women have female friends.

So, there. Everyone in Hollywood is stealing Eckler’s ideas. It must be because she is so original.

Additional research:

4) Books, movies, sitcoms whose up-and-coming heroines work in media

Films:
What Women Want
How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days
Hitched
The Devil Wears Prada
The Hours (Nicole Kidman plays writer Virginia Woolf)
My Best Friend’s Wedding (Julia Roberts plays a food critic who writes for a newspaper)

Television Shows:
Murphy Brown
30 Rock
Ugly Betty
Just Shoot Me
Sex in the City

Books:
The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath (character works for a magazine)
The Devil Wears Prada by Lauren Weisberger
Wasted by Marya Hornbacher (Marya works for a newspaper)
Emily’s Quest by Lucy Maude Montgomery (Emily works to be a writer)

7) Worrying about telling your boss you’re pregnant

Novel: Diary of a Mad Mom to Be by Laura Wolf

8) Buying pregnancy books immediately after getting pregnant

Novel: Diary of a Mad Mom to Be by Laura Wolf

9) Being “grossed out about what you read about the growing fetus”

Novel: Diary of a Mad Mom to Be by Laura Wolf

Electric Landlady said...

Lois Lane, of course, is also a young woman working in media. Her boyfriend, Superman/Clark Kent, was co-created by a Jewish Canadian man. Coincidence? I think not.

For other girl reporters significantly predating Eckler's work and even her very existence, please see Starr, Brenda; Vale, Vicki; and Johnson, Hildy.

Tearfree aka Reject the Koolaid said...

Electric Lady,

Thanks. Your post reminded me of Jennifer Weiner's Good in Bed, another chick lit novel with an unwed pregnant narrator although I can't recall the details.

Can we get the Smart Bitches on this?

Anonymous said...

CAROL: Dr. Oberman.

ROSS: ..Dr. Oberman. Okay. And is he-

SUSAN: She.

ROSS: -she, of course, she- uh- familiar with our.. special situation?

CAROL: Yes, and she's very supportive.

ROSS: Okay, that's great. (SUSAN HOLDS OUT HER DRINK) No, I'm- Oh.
(PASSES IT TO CAROL)

CAROL: Thanks.

ROSS: (PICKS UP A SURGICAL IMPLEMENT AND MIMES A DUCK WITH IT) Quack,
quack..

CAROL: Ross? That opens my cervix. (HE DROPS IT IN HORROR)

http://www.cs.umd.edu/~bongshin/friends/102.html

The One With the Sonogram at the End

lauren said...

Not quite the same, but tiny babies in the cocktail glasses in the episode of SatC where Carrie loses her shoes... I think it's called "A Woman's Right To Shoes". The woman in that has a bunch of screaming kids too, and there's another episode when Charlotte's trying to concieve and has a friend with obnoxious children over. It does actually seem like Eckler watches a lot of SatC.

Electric Landlady said...

The narrator of Good in Bed, who worries a lot about her weight, has post-breakup sex with her ex and ends up pregnant. The ex (and I believe the narrator as well) is Jewish, although not Canadian. Still, the parallels are uncanny!

loves trashy chick lit said...

Narrator of Good In Bed is also a newspaper reporter or columnist. I forget which.

Sarah said...

SO embarrassed that I know this, BUT...

In terms of sex during pregnancy, being surrounded by the family/friends with kids and being disgusted by them, buying the books as soon as they're pregnant, and freaking out/not going to appointments, there is that atrocious Hugh Grant movie Nine Months. It was made in 1995. This is all old material.